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Did anyone figure out exactly HOW Agent Smith came back?

I realize that he, like Neo, is no longer constrained by the rules of the Matrix - but how?

I dont think that was addressed in the movie, but I thought I would ask in case I missed it.
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Darkness · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 7:47 am Post subject:

i can only assume that since he is a computer they had him backed up on some sort of hyper disk

Zypher · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:09 am Post subject:

*foams at the mouth* i saw it half a day ago and i still love it

he came back the same way neo did. neo's program saw the rules, recognized the rules, but didnt follow the rules when he was told to die. like they said in the movie, especially the keymaker, every program survives until their purpose is complete. as neo died he disobeyed the rules because he still had a purpose, trinity. as agent smith died, he recognized the rules and didnt follow them because he had an overwhelming sense of purpose, destroying neo.

anyways, thats my theory

Treestump · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:33 am Post subject:

Some inside info about the Twins:

Treestump · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:36 am Post subject:

Here is one persons explanation about Agent Smith and his connection to Neo:

Treestump · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:56 am Post subject:

Well, I have done some reading looking for answers left over from Reloaded.

1.) How does Neo take out the machines at the end of the movie? He shows Matrix-like powers in the real world.

2.) Agent Smith infects Bane. Bane then leaves the Matrix for the real world and is STILL controlled by Smith. How can Smith control Bane OUTSIDE the matrix?

3.) The Architect says that he and the Oracle are the "mother and father" of the Matrix. He says that, when building it, they found a rare anonmaly (Neo) that would surface regularly (every 100 years) with the power to destroy the Matrix. He do you use the Matrix to stop someone who is capable of destroying the Matrix?

I came across one simple answer that satisfies all of these questions. And although I dont like the answer, I think it could be right.

Zion and the rest of the "real world" are simply a second level of the Matrix.

Think about it. If you know someone with the power to destroy the Matrix will come along on a regular basis, how do you stop him? Simple, make him think he is winning.

Neo has power in the real world because its not the real world.

Smith can control Bane because, again, its not the real world.

This second level of the Matrix was designed to satisfy those people who refuse the Matrix. It lets them think they are "fighting back" and "freeing" themselves, when they are truly not doing so.

Simple enough. You think you have escaped so you stop trying to escape.
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Deathbane · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 1:08 pm Post subject:

I think that is it as well,

The only thing that confueses me is... Why is Neo and mr smith, bane knocked out( in a coma)... Unless he thinks it would hurt like when morpheus kicked his ass in the first one and he was breathing all heavy...and Morpheus told him he did not have to breathe heavy

I dont know it RAWKED and I want to see the new one... If you stay through all the credits they show a PREVIEW FOR THE NEW MATRIX IN NOVEMBER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO so make sure you STAY

Treestump · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 1:35 pm Post subject:

Deathbane · Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 4:14 pm Post subject:

TS--
Did you stay and see the trailer for the new matrix coming out in november.

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The architect stated that Neo had a choice, and one of those choices involved selecting a specified amount of males and females to rebuild the Matrix. Now, considering the fact that it takes a certain amount of years before someone is conceived, born, grows to be old enough to multiply again, etc etc, the fact that Zion had 250,000 people, and the fact that the Architect said that there were 6 OTHER "The One"'s, we're talking about a MINIMUM of 600 years worth of the Matrix having been around...
Now, you take all THAT into consideration, and the fact that in the FIRST Matrix, Morpheous tells Neo that they *think* it's around the year 2199..... Heh. That brings a whole new level of thought into it.

And yes. Zion is a Matrix inside the Matrix. You've gotta wonder how many levels there really are.

After the movie I thought "Wow... yanno, there was too much talk and not enough action at times", but then after I'd had some sleep and was able to absorb all the info.....
Wow... Heh.

That's a movie that promotes alot of thought, fact, and speculation.

I think this topic will become very lengthy, and be discussed for quite some time!

Treestump · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:03 am Post subject:

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I don't remember what year the Matrix was filmed in, but generally the "main part" of the movie (in this case, when they are IN the Matrix, in the Matrix 1), the time would be set to around 1999 give or take a few years. assuming this..... and the fact that they say the REAL world time is 2199 or so, you can only assume that after 600 years of the Matrix having been operational, so to say, it was created somewhere around the year 1600. HEH! CARS didn't even exist in the year 1600. Australia was colonised in 1788 or thereabouts. In 1788 they were still in horse and cart days with cowboys and indians and stuff... 6-shooters and whiskey in bars with swinging bar-doors... spurs on their heels and ZERO technology... Hell. They didnt even have fridges.

This prompts more thought... and I wonder what the hell the Matrix Revolutions is going to be like, or.....
Was the Matrix within the matrix within the Matrix to the power of infinite?

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Treestump · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 7:06 am Post subject:

No, the Matrix was patterned after 1999. When Morpheus says what year it is in the 1st movie, he says it is just their guess that is the year. He doesnt know this is the 6th Matrix. So be is obviously wrong about what year it is.
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Treestump · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 7:08 am Post subject:

Treestump · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:33 pm Post subject:

I found this post on a message board. Very interesting points. This has to be one of the most complete and well thought out opinions about Reloaded.